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From: [e-mail]
Date: 5 May 92 11:55:39 GMT
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs,alt.drugs,misc.legal,alt.society.civil-liberty,alt.activism
Subject: Proposed FAQ: "What to say to the cops" (longish)

Last month I posted the article below to the net with a request for comments,
and several of you replied (thank you!).  I then forwarded your commments
to the author who made some changes to the article, including a major
change on what to do when you're on the road (congrats, netfolk!).

It was pointed out by one of you that the practices suggested in the article
are geared towards being safe, rather than the potentially dangerous practice
of asserting *all* of your rights (such as forcibly evicting "trespassing
cops").  Keep that in mind as you read the article.  Also keep in mind that
the article is tailored for San Diego, so the phone numbers and contacts will
be different for your area.  There will also be regional differences in the
attitudes and procedures of the police ... so we recommend that you edit the
article to tailor it for _your_ area before distributing copies.

Given the effort that has been put into the article, perhaps it should be
included in a FAQ, or turned into one.  I can keep a copy online, but can't
promise to maintain it regularly, or to reformat it into "standard FAQ form"
If there are any eager volunteers, you're welcome to the task.  Otherwise
I'll just try to remember to post it monthly, in its present form.
(Should it only be posted to talk.politics.drugs?)

Given the recent events regarding the Rodney King trial and its aftermath,
perhaps now would be a good time to go over this article with a fine tooth
comb and post critiques, suggestions and comments on this topic.  I'll
collect them and forward them to the author, no guarantee though on when
changes will be made!  As important contributions are made, I will tack
them onto the end of the article until such time as the author can make a
more elegant revision.

Please direct follow-ups and comments to: "talk.politics.drugs"
(Please send no email, this site doesn't receive it. sigh)

BTW -- Happy Cinco de Mayo!

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~Title:  "I do not consent to a search; Am I free to go?; I want a lawyer."
By:      B. Wyze

                   Dedicated to the memory of Paul Reynolds,
        one of San Diego's inspired leaders in the pro-hemp movement,
              cut down in his prime by a sheriff deputy's bullet.

   Disclaimer:  I'm not a lawyer; I'm one of you.  What I write here is the
best information that I've gleaned so far, and I'm prepared to use it myself.
These are my best suggestions, and do not constitute legal advice.  In
situations where there's a question between what's legal and what's safe, my
bias is to stick with what's safe.  Check out this article with your lawyer or
a good second-year law student or better, and then mass copy it for all of your
friends!  Let us know what you find out, what your experiences are, and your
ideas, so we can keep this up-to-date and make it even better.

   This is your front line of defense in the War on Drug Users.

   What it is:  Cops love to play word games, and they're good at it.
They're also good at taking control and being the boss, or coming on like
they're your parents or something.  They know that you have rights, but
they're betting that you don't know what they are.  Watch your ass!  Many
people get busted by falling into their traps, or by not realizing that the cop
is trying to get you to give up your rights ... so don't let them get away
with it!  One lawyer said that 99% of the people in jail talked themselves
into it.

   Some of their cute little tricks:  "May we search you?  No.  Why, got
something to hide?", or "Look, can I go?  Not yet.  Why, am I under arrest?
Would you like to be?"  Rather than keeping this sort of bullshit going, or
trying to outwit them, it's just better not to play that kind of game.
Keep in mind that if you lie to a cop and they can prove it later, that's one
more thing you can be charged with ... so don't tell them anything one way
or another!  (One lawyer did say "Admit nothing, deny everything, and
demand a lawyer", so maybe you can lie to a cop since you're not under oath,
but it seems more prudent just to keep quiet.)  Sometimes they'll threaten
"Look, we can go get a warrant anytime, so you'd better let us in", but what
that really means is "We tried everything, but couldn't get one.  Please let
us in so we can bust you."  Well ... just say "No."  Tell them to go get that
warrant.  Sometimes they'll say "A friend of yours ratted you out and told us
everything.  You know the guy, (insert name here)."  This is a fishhook ...
don't bite!  And don't believe them!  They're probably trying to get you to
"retaliate" and to spill the beans about your friend ... who will be next
on their pickup list because of what you just said.

   General advice:  Remain calm.  Don't offer physical resistance.  Be polite
if you say anything.  Don't cuss at or mouth off to a cop ... fighting words
are not protected speech, and the cop might have grounds for assault charges
against you (or at least will make life a little rougher for you).  And,
never consent to a search of any kind.

   Best case scenario:  They detain you for a non-drug reason, such as a
broken car light, a traffic violation, stereo too loud, etc.  It's best to
play along as "the good citizen" and to be courteous.  If you totally get into
their game and promise to take care of it, at most they'll write you a ticket,
admonish you, and then let you go.  Take the lumps!  Express remorse!
It works.  If they go too far (like trying to search you or your property),
then dig in your heels and exercise your rights.  Read on.

   Your rights:  You have the right to refuse to let them into your home if
they don't have a warrant (4th Amendment).  You can refuse to consent to a
search (4th Amendment), but you can't physically stop them.  You can remain
silent (5th Amendment), although it is often advisable to give them your name,
address, and age.  You have the right to have your attorney with you while they
question you (5th Amendment, I think).  You have the right not to sign anything
they give you, except for a ticket.  Do not make a statement!

   Their "rights":  They can briefly do a pat-down search on the outside of
your clothing and check-out suspicious lumps that feel hard and bulky ... they
want to make sure that you don't have a concealed weapon (but you should say
"I don't consent to being searched" anyway to cover yourself, and you shouldn't
carry anything incriminating in that same pocket!).  They can and will ask you
everything under the sun (freedom of speech you know).  If you blow it by:
answering their questions, letting them into your house, or consenting to a
search, then they gotcha cold ... so don't do it!  They don't have to read
you your rights if you're not under arrest, so you'd better know what they are.
They can briefly detain you for various purposes, but they can't hold you
unless you're under arrest (If you ask "Am I free to go?", and they say no,
ask "Why not?" or "What is the law that allows you to hold me?" or "I'm not
under arrest, yet you've said I can't leave ... please clarify my legal status
at this time.").  If you try to physically resist them or to run away from
them, then they have the right to use force against you ... even if you're
clean and have done nothing wrong!  So ... keep calm and be cool, they've got
the deck stacked in their favor and they know it.

   Reasonable Suspicion:  Allows them to look briefly, but not to search.

   Probable Cause:  Having some kind of evidence against you, such as:  a
certain smell, an anonymous phone call about you, or seeing a joint lying
on your living room table.  Refusal to allow a search is not probable cause ...
if it were, then they could search you no matter what answer you give, which
is totally against the US Constitution (4th Amendment).

   At home:  If they knock on your door to "ask you a few questions", then
either talk through the closed door or quickly step outside and lock your door
behind you.  This serves two purposes:  One, do not give them an opportunity to
look inside ... if they see something, that's probable cause.  Two, if they
want to conduct an illegal search, then they'll have to break down your door to
do so.  Then you can use the broken pieces as evidence against them, whereas if
there are no broken pieces, then they will claim that you let them in
voluntarily.  If they drag on their "question" thing too long, keep asking
"Am I free to go?" until they give you a definite answer.  If they have a
warrant, then tell them they can't start their search until your lawyer
arrives to witness it, and then get that lawyer over real quick!  During the
search, have everyone sit together and instruct them to say absolutely nothing.
If the cops ask you to do something, then you may politely tell them "Unless
you are ordering me to do that at this time, I refuse.  Are you ordering me to
do that?"  If they say yes, then you can ask "What law says that you can order
me to do that?"  If they can't answer, then don't do it.  If they try to force
you at that point, do not resist, and state "I'm not doing this voluntarily,
but under protest and duress."  Remember your witnesses.


   On the road:  You don't have much left in the way of rights when you're on
the road.  In my opinion, the best you can do is to keep things on the level of
an average citizen stopped for a minor traffic violation.  It's pretty easy to
do this, and all it takes is a little fore-thought.
   First of all, keep your license, registration, and proof of insurance in an
easily accessible place, such as attached to your sun visor.  The less time it
takes for you to get these, the less time the officer has to look through your
windows while waiting.  If you get pulled over, stay in the car, turn on the
cab light if it's dark, roll down your window, keep your hands relaxed on the
wheel (10-2 position) so the officer can see them, sit still, relax and wait
for the officer to come to you.  (sudden moves, ducking down, looking nervous,
or appearing to be searching for something under your seat is just asking for
trouble  ... so, just sit up naturally, be still, and put the officer at ease).
The point of all this is to demonstrate to the officer that you're an average
ordinary citizen ready to be admonished for some small infraction, and that
you're hoping for a warning rather than a citation, so be a little meek and
humble.  The idea is to get the cop to like you and to trust you, and maybe
you won't even get a ticket!  When interacting with the cop, be courteous
and listen attentively.  Be at ease, and talk to the person behind the badge.
   The cop has the right to look in your car from the outside, so it's good
practice to keep any questionable items put away while you're driving (ie,
don't keep a half-smoked joint sitting in an open ashtray!).
   If you're legally carrying a firearm, it's advisable to tell the officer
(eg, "Officer, I have an unloaded pistol in my glove compartment.  What would
you like me to do?").  If this is the case, obey their orders, and make it
clear to them that you're just a law-abiding citizen who's aware that San Diego
is not as nice as it used to be.
   If they ask you to get out of the car, it's strongly advisable to do so.
Get out slowly in a calm, deliberate and reasonable manner, and follow the cop
to see what it is they want to point out to you.
   If all of the above goes well, then you'll at most get a ticket and will
be free to drive away.  This is what you want.  The next part of this section
is for those cases that don't turn out this nicely.

   Like I said in the first line of this section, you don't have much left in
the way of rights when you're on the road.  Cops apparently have the right to
"pat down" the interior of your car (driver's compartment, glove box, and
underneath the seats) if they suspect that you're armed (and you haven't told
them so).  I know of no searches that have not been held up in the courts.
They apparently can legally search closed containers in your car, and don't
need a warrant to fully search your car if they have probable cause.
   In my opinion, the best strategy is to maintain the role of "average citizen"

but to be a little more indignant if they want to do a search, and to keep
yourself legally covered.  If they ask if they can search your car, tell them
"No.  I won't consent to a search of my car without a warrant."  but as you say
this, keep physically relaxed and keep your movements slow.  Say it reasonably,
as if they're trying to make a big deal out of nothing.  When they ask why
you're refusing their search, tell them "I've been advised by an attorney
never to consent to a search."  Give them a chance to back down gracefully, as
if this were just a harmless misunderstanding on their part, easily forgiven.
   If they proceed anyway with the search, after you've tried all the above,
your last resort should be to say "If you search my car, without my consent or
without a warrant, I will file Federal criminal charges against you for
violating my civil rights under the color of law!"  Say it and mean it.  Now,
you are a pissed off, but still peaceable, citizen who's about to be wronged.
Yeah, it's a bluff, so you'd better say it like you mean business ... but
remember to refrain from any kind of threatening posture!  Be serious in intent,

but cool and composed in bearing.  It might work.  If it doesn't, then remain
silent, and watch them without getting in the way.
   The more adventurous of you will go through this entire process even though
you're not carrying any contraband!  Why?  To waste their time.  We want to
help them waste their time, money and resources in wild goose chases, and
to lead them into dead ends.  The more we can do that, the more worthless
the Prohibition will appear.


   In public:  If they want to search you, then say "I do not consent to being
searched."  Always be clear about this, try to involve witnesses, and never
physically resist.  If you ever try to resist, then they will use force ...
they always do.  So, be relaxed, move slowly, and keep your hands out where
they can see them.

   Tight situation:  They conduct a search without your consent, and find
something.  Almost anything you say at that point will hurt you.  The best
thing you can do, and it is your Constitutional right, is to say "I want a
lawyer" and then keep your trap shut 'til you get one!  Don't answer any of
their questions (except name, address, and age) if your lawyer isn't with you.

   Worst case scenario:  It's 3:30 am, ten cops break down your door and
they're yelling and pointing their guns at you ... freeze!  Do not move a
muscle, and keep absolutely quiet for at least a count of 3!  They'll frisk
you and start to tear your place apart.  When they know you're unarmed, then
ask "Do you have a warrant?  I do not consent to a search."  If they do have
one, then read it and make damn sure that they can legally do what they're
doing.  (Apparently their warrant doesn't need to be signed to be valid, so
long as a signed copy is on file).  If the warrant doesn't specify what they're
doing right now, then say so and insist that they stop (but don't try to
physically stop them!).  If they do not have a warrant, then tell them that
they must leave.  If they don't, then call the State Police (237-7232) and
FBI (231-1122), and report an incident of trespass by the local police and ask
them to come and remove them.  Get your lawyer there as quickly as possible,
if you can, and remember that  the more witnesses you have, the better ...
there's always your neighbors!  If the cops arrest you, then they must give
you a receipt for everything they confiscate (wallet, clothing, packages, etc.),

so I would think that they must also give you one for whatever they take
during the search.

   If they arrest you:  Ask "Why am I under arrest?".  They have to tell you.
After they book you, demand your two phone calls, at your expense: first to an
attorney, relative or employer, and second to a bailbondsman.  If you can't
afford a lawyer, then demand that they provide you with one at no expense.  Do
not let your lawyer enter a plea of "not guilty" before the arraignment (the
first trip to court where you will be formally charged, which by law has to
occur within 48 hours of your arrest, barring holidays and Sundays), because
that would automatically lock you into criminal proceedings, which is where
your dear lawyer will try to make his/her money.  You should try like hell to
get your case dismissed before that arraignment!  Your lawyer knows what to do,
and if s/he won't do it, then get one who will.  If you can't get it dismissed,
then enter your "not guilty" plea at the arraignment and insist on a jury
trial, which will be expensive and difficult for the DA.  Do not let your
lawyer waive the speedy trial time limits!  (Which s/he might try to do so they
can charge you more money for "preparation", etc.)  You don't want the
prosecution to have all the time in the world to build their case against you!
If you are adamant about all that, and if their case isn't strong, then they
might actually drop it!  What the hell, it's worth a shot!  If your case does
go to trial, then try like hell to get that jury informed about their inherent
right to judge the law itself, and to nullify it by letting you go, if they
think it's not fair or is totally ridiculous (like forcing you to go to prison
for a year for having 1.5 ounces of pot, or some equally obnoxious law).

   Drills:  Knowing what to say and do is great, but it's even better if you
get together with your friends and practice on each other, preferably in at
least two frames of mind.  That way, if you're one on one with a cop,
you'll be ready to handle the situation.

   Additional materials:  "If You Are Arrested" wallet-sized card (ACLU,
633 South Shatto Place, L.A., CA 90005); "Officer, Please Understand ..."
wallet-sized card (People Against Police Brutality, 1380 Garnet Ave.,
Suite E-98, San Diego CA 92109, 271-9391 or 281-1066); Fully Informed Jury
Association (local rep: Jim Lorenz, San Diego, CA, 282-4778).  "The Speeder's
Guide to Avoiding Tickets" (book, I don't know where to get it).

   How you can help fight:  Register to vote (preferably in a sympathetic
group such as the Libertarian Party, which supports the legalization of drugs),
for then you become eligible to serve on a jury and to use your right of
nullification to free a brother or sister.  Join NORML and get wise!  Copy
this pamphlet, give it to your friends, and help spread this, our only means
of defense.  And, most of all, be a good and conscientious person ... nothing
is more devastating to the "War on Druggie" types than to show the world that
these assholes are persecuting some of the best people.  Make 'em think.
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From: [e-mail] (Chris Hibbert)
Date: 6 May 92 19:51:41 GMT
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Proposed FAQ: "What to say to the cops"


This is a pretty good as far as I can tell.  [I am certainly no
lawyer.]  The reference I've been using recently on the subject is
"The Outlaw's Bible" by E.X. Boozhie.  The most important thing from
the book that wasn't covered in the article was that cops can follow
you into your home or car if they're "in hot pursuit," and they're
allowed to search the immediate location when they do arrest you.
This makes it very important to not return home, or go to your car if
someone is trying to catch up with you to arrest you.  If you let them
follow you home, and into your house, they can perform a "brief
search" of those places and anything they find is admissable.

The book and lots of other things about privacy and related things is
available from Loompanics Unlimited for $14.95 (+ $3 P&H).  Their
address is:

    Loompanics Unlimites
    PO Box 1197
    Port Townsend, WA 98368

They have a 250 page catalogue they'll send you for $5.

Chris
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uunet!xanadu!hibbert                    MCIMail: CHibbert

From: [e-mail] (David A. Honig)
Date: 6 May 92 22:34:00 GMT
Newsgroups: talk.politics.drugs
Subject: Re: Proposed FAQ: "What to say to the cops" (longish)

Excellent article.  I would add:

its legitimate to be 1) sick 2) tired 3) in a hurry.
the first two explain that stoned look; the latter explains why
you don't want to bother witha search, if they don't have a warrant,
even though you have nothing to hide.

--
David A. Honig

"For sale: one southwestern metropolis, sold as is.  Incl. new police chief
and plenty of newly open space..."

From: [e-mail] (Jack Duncan)
Date: Thu, 7 May 1992 19:21:37 GMT
Newsgroups: alt.drugs
Subject: true story regarding your rights FAQ


this is a true story!

i just got done reading the FAQ thing on what to do if you are arrested,
stopped etc.  what the man said is basically correct.  the following is a
story demonstrating the use of your rights...as i have already stated this
story is scary, but true.

i have several friends who live together in a house here in salem, oregon.
one day, while only one of them was home, a man came to the door and knocked.
when my friend answered the door it was a person dressed like a mailman.  he
said "i am your mailman and forgot to deliver this package when i came by
earlier, so here it is."  he proceeded to hand a package to my friend (note
the man was wearing rubber gloves, although my friend did not notice this).
this anomoly did not seem to bother my friend who accepted the package and
took it inside.  it was addressed to one of his roommates, so he did not open
the package.  a couple of minutes later, the door was thrown open and several
men (like a dozen plus) came pouring into the house with guns screaming and
yelling at my friend.  he was instructed to get on the floor and was
handcuffed etc.  once the police had secured the premises they got him up and
put him in a chair and proceeded to ask him questions about the package.  it
was from amsterdam and contained 32 grams of hashish.  they opened the package
and showed him the contents.  they tore (literally) apart the house
confiscating various bongs, pipes etc.  mainly they concentrated their search
on the room of the addressee.  in fact they didn't even take several bongs and
pipes from the other rooms of the house.  my friend that was being questioned,
rather than just shutting up began to explain why a package of hash had just
arrived.  he did this after they threatened to arrest him.  it turns out later
that this was utter bullshit and that they scared him into answering
questions.  they also scared him into signing a statement.  at this point it
is looking like an open and shut job for the cops, all they need is the person
whose name is on the package.  they finally leave the scene and tell my friend
to have his roommate turn himself in before tomorrow or they will come and get
him.  to make a long story short, my friend contacted a lawyer before turning
himself in.  the person that had answered the questions was called in to
testify, but also got a lawyer who instructed him to take the 5th.  without
his testimony, the DA was hard pressed to prove that the package was indeed
expected and was not just a random package of hash.  the lack of scales, large
bags or bud etc. damaged their original intention of pressing dealing charges
against the offender.  in the long run, the case was dismissed because my
friends got legal counsel.  the moral of this story...always keep your mouth
shut.  don't try to resist, just wait to talk to a lawyer.  there is only so
much that the police can do to you.  this case looked like a sure winner in
court, but with for a mere $1500 and 32 grams of hash the case was dismissed.


KNOW YOUR RIGHTS, and exercise them when confronted by authorities.  never say
anything without knowing exactly the consequences.  it is better to be hauled
to jail for a couple of hours and get a lawyer than to spill the beans as
soon as the cops bust your door down.  the other moral...never have 32 grams
of hash mailed to you from amsterdam....

live and learn.

peace,

jack ([e-mail])